How Bitcoin Can Replace The Dollar

28 thoughts on “How Bitcoin Can Replace The Dollar”

1. What happens when US finds out Iran and North Korea converted largely to bitcoin? Would fbi cease coinbase and just shut it all down?

2. Can it avoid being deflationary? It is already exclusionary. A finite system should eventually deflate.

3. I smell…………tulip!

   1. Actually, bitcoin has no fragrance, no color, no lovely shape like a tulip. Bitcoin is only numbers.

      1. Do not try and bend the spoon, that’s impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth… there is no spoon

4. Now we’re getting somewhere. I just posted this as a reply on “Snorting M & Ms.”

   Of late I seem to notice an increasing shift to the use of the term “fiat currency” as a pejorative expression. Money, on the one hand, is felt by many to be this fiat crap and everything else is somehow “real.” Make no mistake. All entities people consider to be money these days — dollars, euros, crypo of any kind, gold, digital accounts, etc. — are fiat money. They only exist if an important enough institution or group of individuals considers that they serve the functions of money and jointly believe they have the value assigned to them. There is no such thing as “real” money, although in the US only the official currency is, by law, “legal tender for all debts public and private.” In his book “American Gods” Neil Gaiman creates a fantasy world where one group of gods is disappearing while another takes its place. The premise is that “gods” only exist because people believe in them. Zeus and Baal are gone. Others have taken their place. In Peter Pan, Tinkerbell only existed as long as Wendy and the other children believed in her. Deities, too, are fiat entities we create and which depend for their power on our belief in them. Just sayin”

5. The importance of the US government accepting taxes in dollars cannot be overstated. You have to pay taxes on gains in crypto trading, even if your trades never touched a US dollar. You can’t pay those taxes in Bitcoin.

6. Seems like a waste of actual real energy supplies and emissions. IMO, bitcoin is a proof of concept. The religion to preserve it will prevent it from evolving. https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a35482641/bitcoin-mining-electricity-consumption/

   1. Thats a vast amount of electricity for car batteries to compete with. It is actually shameful.
      And yes, what an odd new god.

7. How any one person can punch out so many well written articles with such frequency is beyond me.

   1. Me too.

      1. Sobriety + coffee = productivity
         At least for me.

   2. +1

   3. Heisenberg is a God. If we didn’t believe “he” wouldn’t exist. He does write more articles than Bitcoin which makes “him” more a treasure. And, he maybe a fiction more than “any one person.”

8. From what I have read, about 25% of the private addresses that are in existence for bitcoins are vulnerable to quantum computers because the p2pk addresses that were formally used are more vulnerable than the currently used p2pkh addresses. So where original holders have lost their private addresses for those bitcoins (p2pk addresses)- they could be stolen.
   Also from what I have read, it takes about 10 minutes to authenticate a bitcoin transaction- which results in a bitcoin payment to the “miner”. Should quantum computing ever get faster than 10 minutes, the transactions will be at risk and the entire system will ulnerable.
   If Google (or others) have a quantum computer working on this, I doubt they would publicize the status of their efforts.
   Not for me.

   1. We will know quantum computing has arrived when all the rest of the bitcoins suddenly disappear.

   2. If a foreign power manages to create a quantum computer in secrecy it could potentially begin stealing bitcoins. However that is not to say this is the end of the story. As we see with Ethereum the community could say we will Fork as of XX/XX/XXXX pre-attack to a new code which is now secure from quantum computers. There has already been a lot of work done looking at next steps needed to harden against quantum computing. If someone tries to “take the ball and go home” they will quickly realize they don’t have a real ball and everyone else left to play without them. You aren’t attacking pure set code, you’re attacking a gigantic community with every incentive to beat you.

9. I feel that barter, e.g. lumber and nails and sheep, might be almost just as arbitrary as fiat money, and certainly not as convenient. What is the true value of a sheep anyway? Well it depends on the day of the week. I’m not sure how any of us would live without our fictions.

10. How would the US government, feeling “threatened” by Bitcoin (as a “unit of value” vis a vis the Dollar) “regulate “(control) a crypto currency, given it’s rapid “institutional” adoption? Would they institute some form of annual reporting (like open futures)? Would they legislate spending thresholds? Could they just “outlaw” it? I don’t see the Treasury yielding control to any entity…willingly. But, equally, I don’t see any “democratic” means to achieve the same. But, I do see them doing “something” quickly, precisely because of it’s rapid adoption. Which, most assuredly, threatens them.

    1. I mean ultimately there is no threat. The US Gov requires taxes paid in dollars and decides what those taxes are and what you need to record and report. Whatever functions crypto serves no government is about to hand over control of its currency. In that respect crypto is like a currency issued by a new country with no taxes, no physical location and no laws but that anyone can visit. It’s “Internet Money”. Criminal organizations have functioned just fine for a long time using cash USD.

       The conflicts that exist relate to property reporting which may be more challenging but no more so than offshore accounts have always made it. It’s in many ways a democratizing of the corruption once only available to the rich. The solutions to that are simple though, just change how taxes are assessed accordingly, which is now something which all major world governments have a mutual reason to cooperate on.

    2. How would the US government regulate a crypto currency? Yeh! It’s absurd. It’s so stupid, like saying the government could outlaw the private ownership of gold.

11. The collective, shared, overlapping (intersubjective) beliefs of human beings. Narrative cuts to the core of value. When one is forced to consider the nature of reality, one is getting somewhere.

12. When I buy some apples at the grocery here in CA in dollars, not a taxable event. If I were able to buy in bitcoins or gold, taxable as to change value of bitcoin or gold. Lifo or fifo…value of bitcoin gold in real time to calculate tax…

    Let the accounting begin…

    1. How does BTC jive with ESG investors? Lol

13. Thanks, H. I won’t presume this was written for me per se but I appreciate its clarity and the fact it answers my previous query so perfectly. Notably the admission that gold and silver are also intrinsically worthless. Tangential but – I feel economics obsessing over value is/was a mistake, which is why most economics post 19C focuses on prices. Value is a mess, price is observable.

    Big fan of Sapiens too. Homo Deus was a bit disappointing, imho.

    Just one pushback : “But most Bitcoin proponents surely don’t think of themselves as mere acolytes of an increasingly popular fiction”. IDK. I’m certainly clear this is what I’m doing. I mean, there are practical argument as to why BTC is a superior fiction to gold. It’s easier to transport, store and trade/split. Then again, there are two main practical arguments for gold. It’s an old, very well established, fiction and humans tend to like shiny rocks/stones.

    So, yes, adoption is and remain the only criteria that matters – is the new religion displacing the old one? (or at least establishing its own niche).

14. And yet our money is only legal because we are living under a state of national emergency that is in effect indefinitely. That state of national emergency nullifies the section of the constitution that declares “No state shall make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debt.” If that state of national emergency were ever lifted, the money which we rely on and place our trust in would become worthless. Just pointing out that things are a bit more precarious than they might otherwise seem.

15. Bitcoin might best be described as a digital commodity (you might say it’s digitazation taken to the extreme where you are paying for an algorithm. It’s not what’s been digitized such as music, but just the digitizing process itself.) It’s a strange rabbit hole we’re going down.

    Currently bitcoin is a commodity investment (bet) as opposed to a currency investment. I’m guessing that most of the people that own some bitcoin have it as an investment rather than as a convenient way to complete a transaction. Up to this point, the exception might be those dealing in the blackmarket who want their transactions hidden. Companies like Christie’s and Tesla that are anticipating accepting digital coin are doing so because they realize that there are people who have enough bitcoin to make very large transactions – an expensive car or piece of art – a market that these companies want to tap into.

    I have no bitcoins at the moment. If I wanted to buy a Tesla with some, I’d have to first buy some with dollars. That wouldn’t make much sense over just sending those dollars directly to Tesla. I’m not sure what the total value of bitcoins is at the moment, but that’s the limit of the market that companies can tap into.

16. BTC cannot be a general use currency, given the energy consumption and slow speed of transactions.

    Even if it could, the US government and other governments will not permit BTC to supplant national currencies. In addition to the obvious reasons of sovereignty, security, and monetary and fiscal policy, there’s tax evasion. If Sally buys her Tesla with appreciated BTC, the government needs that to be a taxable event. There’s also economics. BTC is inherently deflationary: fixed BTC supply + economic growth = deflation and we can’t have that!

    Governments have many ways to suppress BTC. We might see this first in China, where the government is not known for tolerating things it can’t control and monitor. Beijing controls and monitors the digital yuan, but not BTC, so which will Xi favor? Easy enough for the government to identify every BTC transaction (deep packet inspection) and exact consequences.

    For now, BTC is a speculative investment “asset”. It will be one until governments decide it is a threat, to financial stability or otherwise. Statements from government officials around the world don’t sound so benign.