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Jobs Report Misses ‘Bigly’ While Wage Growth Comes In Hot

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A "glitch".
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9 comments on “Jobs Report Misses ‘Bigly’ While Wage Growth Comes In Hot

  1. Harvey Darrow Cotton

    So how much of these consensus analyses upon which global markets turn from ALL of the major investment banks are just a copy and paste job from previous months with a couple of fudge factors thrown in for color? Goddamn prop bets and guesswork. Nobody knows anything.

    • That’s like screaming at the TV and saying: “How much of these weather forecasts are just weathermen and women going by the same models from last week with a couple of factors to control for current conditions? Goddamn guesswork!!” and what do “prop bets” have to do with a jobs report? have you been reading the conspiracy blogs again?

      • Harvey Darrow Cotton

        Complex systems, like the weather, the stock market, and roulette wheels, have multiple factors that cannot all be accounted for, and when that happens, you have chaos. That is not a conspiracy. That is math. And when people set futures contracts based on a jobs print miss that is not based on economic fundamentals, but bad guesses (not forecasts, but actionable guesses from highly-paid very important analysts) about economic fundamentals governed by chaos you are making a bet. Not an investment. Not a trade. Not an analysis. A bet. Like red or black, odd or even, or black 23 on the wheel.

        • give me a break, Harvey. if you’re dismayed to discover that predicting the headline print on a monthly jobs report is hard and often an exercise in futility, then i don’t know what to tell you. that’s common knowledge. nobody is sitting around betting the house on a given analyst’s NFP forecast. that’s absurd. and if you’ve ever read a sellside NFP preview, you know that yes, in fact there’s quite a bit of real economic analysis that goes into producing them.

          • the point here, by the way, is just that this overriding tendency (and it’s pervasive) for people to cast aspersions at sellside research gets old past a certain point. everyone knows there are myriad problems with Wall Street research, from conflicts of interest to much of it being completely superfluous. so Harvey is absolutely right in some respects. that said, a decade of bloggers and buysiders and alternative finance sites constantly deriding the sellside has created, in my opinion, a disconnect with reality. sometimes, analysts are just doing their jobs and that’s all there is to it. Like, if you’ve got the official NFP call for a given bank, that’s what you do. You produce that piece of research because that’s what you’re paid to produce. Generally speaking, you’re going to try to get it right because, you know, you that’s better than getting it wrong. Consensus is just all of those estimates rolled up together. It just is what it is.

          • Harvey Darrow Cotton

            Fair enough, but I just don’t like the idea of quantities counted by the Labor Department exceeding or missing forecasts – and markets moving because of the forecasts. Analysts were wrong on the upside in February, but wrong on the downside in January. When you look at a chart on the monthly jobs report it looks like spaghetti, and the non-seasonally adjusted jobs report looks like noise. Counting jobs is kind of a weathervane. Under 100k generally bad because of the growth in the labor market, 100k meh, and over 100,000 better but an incomplete story without accounting for the quality of the jobs, wage growth, or labor participation. Focusing on a headline number without this context means that the financial press and the stock market are not acting according to the strength of the real economy, but on the strength of their ability to predict trivia.

  2. Walt, I was really hoping you’d highlight flaky Kudlow’s fluky comment.
    But that would’ve been too easy. You’re better than that

  3. I’ll highlight that knee slapper about Navarro- as he expecting a million?? Ohhh, that’s a swing and miss Peter

  4. It can be difficult to put lots of weight in one monthly report. Probably, the best way to read this one is that there is slowing. An alternate read might be that January was an anomalous high report, and that January and February together are OK. The AHE report is the strange one. There were a number of companies that reported increases in wages at the start of the year, and perhaps this was just the season for raises. There is another way of looking at the numbers that is not great for fed watchers. I don’t think this is what is happening. But you could look at those numbers and think we are basically at full employment, and the only way employers are going to recruit workers is by increasing wages. That would be great news for the American worker, but not so great for those counting on looser fed policy. Not likely what is happening, but possible…

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