Leave The Bubble Alone, Sir

Leave well enough alone.

Wise words. If a bit hackneyed.

I know a lot of people who’d be well served to internalize the message from that old adage. Google’s AI gets it. “Intervening further in a satisfactory situation can lead to negative consequences,” the model says. “So it’s best to accept it as is.”

With that in mind, the modern history of non-recessionary Fed rate cuts, small though the sample is, suggests US stocks would likely post “satisfactory” gains over a six-, 12-, 15- and 18-month horizon if both equities and the Fed itself were left to go about their business unhindered.

In this case, “satisfactory” means that if you extrapolate from n=3 (the statisticians among you will be forgiven for emitting a wry chuckle), the US benchmark will be up 25% or so by the end of next year assuming no US recession. That’s the average 15-month S&P return in three scenarios since 1980 when the Fed cut in a non-recessionary environment.

The new dot plot, released alongside the September FOMC decision, suggests the Fed will cut twice more this year and once in 2026. Stephen Miran (which is to say Donald Trump) wants far more in the way of easing than that, though. And he wants it in a hurry. Have a look:

The annotation shows you the already infamous “Miran dot.” If your question is, “Are we sure that’s Miran’s dot?”, the answer’s me laughing. Because contrary to what polite people will tell you, there are stupid questions. And that’d be one.

Here’s what JonesTrading’s Mike O’Rourke had to say (and do note how keen Mike is to include Miran’s other title alongside his newly-minted Fed Board credential):

Fed Governor/CEA Chair Miran said the quiet part out loud and made a mockery of the process by forecasting a 2.875% Fed Funds rate for this year. That is a call for another 125bps of easing in an economy that is not in distress and near full employment. He did an excellent job of expressing his loyalty to the President but also affirmed fears he lacks independence. We suspect he alienated all of the members of the FOMC who will not want to be associated with a politicized perspective. Had he attempted to work within the realm of consensus, they might be more willing to take him seriously. On his first day on the job, he undermined his own credibility.

There you go. That’s the reality of what happened this week at the September FOMC meeting.

As I put it in the editorial accompanying the September 17 evening mailer, Jerome Powell “succeeded in ostracizing Miran, who was made to look like exactly what he most assuredly is: An uninvited, and largely unwelcome, dinner guest.”

Anyway, the figure below plots the YoY change in the S&P’s forward multiple with the YoY change in Fed funds, inverted on the left axis.

As SocGen’s Manish Kabra wrote, “outside of a credit shock, the S&P re-rates with rate cuts.”

In other words, the odds probably favor a stock rally from here based on history and assuming the rate cuts a still nominally independent Fed already plans to deliver. Note the emphasis. No pressure campaign — or I suppose I should say no additional pressure campaign — necessary.

There’s a caveat on the re-rating side. The S&P’s forward multiple already counts in the 96%ile on a five-decade lookback, so you might fairly ask if we’ve reached the point of diminishing returns on that front. I’d say two things.

First, even if rate cuts can’t do much to inflate valuations any further, they can at least help justify current valuations, or make them seem less crazy for high-growth companies. Second, although some valuation and breadth metrics long ago surpassed levels seen in 2000 and 2021, the index forward P/E isn’t one of them.

The table above, also from SocGen, shows you how high the S&P would trade in the event rate cuts succeed in pushing multiples to the dot-com bubble peak, and that multiple’s applied to a $300 aggregate index EPS assumption for next year: 7500.

How realistic is that EPS assumption?, you might ask. Not totally unrealistic, I’ll say that. The top-down (i.e., chief equity strategist) consensus is $295. Bottom-up (i.e., company analyst) consensus is $305.

So, coming full circle, if you’re a man who’s determined to engineer an asset bubble (and I know such a man), it might be worth considering the very real possibility that the US equity boom is in full-swing on its own and doesn’t need any additional impetus, particularly not if that impetus involves doing something controversial like, say, conjuring excuses to fire a Fed Board that’s already doing what you want.


 

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10 thoughts on “Leave The Bubble Alone, Sir

  1. Trump wants FF 2.50-2.75 in 2026 and 2.25-2.50 in 2026, or about 200 bp of cuts from when he appointed Miran. Or at least, that’s what he’s told Miran and/or the dots Miran thought low enough to satisfy him, understanding the shortness of Trump’s attention horizon.
    My guess is as each year arrives, Trump will want cuts equal to the higher of one percentage point or “whatever it takes”.
    One percent is a nice round number; basis points are for losers.
    Extrapolating from the 2025 stooge dot, that implies FF sub-1% in 2027.
    The economic and market consequences are, as they say, left as an exercise for readers.

    1. I love that Miran is trying to reassure us that he didn’t tell Trump how he would vote. I don’t know about you all, but that certainly makes me feel better about the Fed remaining independent.

    2. Further musing. As a fairer-than-you’d-hope generalization, bond investors are smart, skeptical, with longer horizons, while equity investors are as smart as their algos, credulous, with short horizons. Hence, perhaps, the post-meeting divergence between stocks and the 10 year. For all the self-aggrandizing talk of the stock market being an all-seeing anticipatory discounting machine, it really only sees ahead six months or so. If the rollover of corporate profits and overt slide into recession is more than six months out, then keep dreaming the zero interest rate dream – it is the rational thing to do. If is less, either grab an open chair or sidle-dance closer to one.

    1. Having said that, and assuming Miran’s dot is always in the bottom of the plot, it’s noteworthy that someone’s willing to sit next to the stinkpot as soon as next year. (Any confirmed rumors that Waller is looking to have a deviated septum installed?).

      Regarding Trump’s understanding of interest rates, do you suppose (seriously) he even knows what a basis point is? I have a pet peeve where every discussion of basis points that uses the abbreviation “bp” then goes on to explain that bp = basis points and basis points = 1/100 of a percent. Why start out with bp then?

      Anyway, whether bp or basis points or 0.01%, I believe that Trump will soon be telling us all about a little thing hardly anyone’s ever heard of before and he calls it “basis points.” Such a beautiful word. No abbreviations or explanations required.

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