We Have Found A Bear

Stifel's Barry Bannister has a heretical notion: US equities might fall in 2025. ("We have found a witch, may we burn him?") What might've put such a wicked idea in his head? The specter of stagflation, for one thing, or maybe "stagflation-lite" is the better term. Bannister expects GDP growth in the US to cool fairly sharply late next year to "just" 1.5%, roughly half the current pace. At the same time, he sees core inflation sticking around near 3%, an unpalatable combination which could fac

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6 thoughts on “We Have Found A Bear

  1. I am a BEAR. I can’t imagine not being one starting on January 20, 2025. Almost everything Trump is PROUDLY saying hw will do are highly correlated with negative outcomes. I am a retired founder of a fund that made money in 28 out of 31 years on assets that peaked at $14.3 billion with a mean return in the low teens over those three decades. You can look it up. My first killing was for a bank in 1973 when every Wall Street firm saw the market up – that is what Barron’s reported. And Nixon was a saint compared to Trump although Bebe Rebozo was scraping the bottom of the barrel.

      1. Luck too. After 2011 when I stepped aside global macro under-performed – even if you were God – as the U.S, ruled the heavens. With Trump in charge global macro is back in the sun. My bones might be old but they feel good again. Sorry ‘H’, timing is critical.

  2. I think it depends on why the market breaks down. If it is simply a stock market “mania” passing, with the real economy stable, then perhaps the result is merely a correction. If the real economy is dislocated, that plus popped mania can combine for a real bear market.

    What could dislocate the real economy? Trade war, labor shrinkage, inflation resurgent, deficits higher, and that’s assuming the adults remain in charge in DC – all two of them, by my count.

    In 2022 we had a bear market. Can you imagine more economic dislocation in 2025 than in 2022? I can.

  3. There are a number of growing weaknesses building up. Somehow, on youtube, my algo generated feed is yielding a lot of real estate people in Florida up to Tennessee getting very nervous for what 2025 will deal out to them, as the aftermath of the hurricanes, lack of rebuilding funds, the neutral rate question and property insurance premiums doubling or unavailable. As we know, timing a crash is more about luck, and knowing what the catalyst will be ahead of time is what post facto movies convert lucky investors into memorable characters.

  4. Just a brief comment about the market’s political sensibility, or lack of it. The balance between consumption and production or between capital and labor are very important and both have changed several times across the decades. The major balance that we have been operating under was set up in 1980 to 1984 by Reagan with capital being freed to increase productivity and the availability of stuff to buy on the shelves – no on had to worry about consumption as they were banging down the door. The baby-boomers were building their families, buying everything. That structure is now wrong. After some ups and downs – me, a baby boomer is not buying stuff. One of my college roommates of years ago said he and his church-going wife bought no Christmas presents last year and will none again. Labor – young one – don’t make enough money. Minim wage people are buying from minimum wage people – back-and-forth. Capital has enough – Trump swept the rich on low taxes – that was a crime. The old won’t buy and the young are broke. Not good.

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