It never ceases to amaze me how often investors have to be reminded that trading is synonymous with market timing and that market timing is synonymous with gambling.
I was listening this week to a recent Oaktree podcast featuring a discussion between Howard Marks and Annie Duke, poker legend-turned bestselling author. It’s an entertaining chat (“such a fun conversation,” as Duke puts it at the end) assuming you enjoy probability and statistics. Marks is a fan of Duke’s Thinking in Bets. In fact, it was the inspiration for “You Bet,” a January 2020 memo which some regard as a classic. (Marks’s fanbase considers every Marks memo a classic.)
As regular readers are aware, I suffer from a fair bit of cognitive dissonance when it comes to investing. I write about markets as if they’re intensely engaging and worth observing on a day-to-day basis, and I do “like to lay the occasional bet,” as the late Jon Polito put it in Miller’s Crossing (in my opinion the best film in American history). But when I’m being completely honest (and part of correcting for decades of bad karma is being honest all the time in my second act), I’m compelled to admit there really isn’t much about markets that interests me at all.
Investing is, and has always been, easy for me, and thereby less than interesting. Like anyone else, I had to learn my way around a balance sheet (in business school) and later, the ins and outs of high finance (mostly from an unwitting mentor who’d tell you that very much contrary to the old adage, it’s sometimes better to “give a man a fish” than to teach him how to catch fish on his own, lest that man should keep fishing from your stream in perpetuity after the two of you are no longer sharing meals). But successful investing, where that means reliably generating a decent return on invested capital, came naturally to me. I’ve never had to “work at it,” so to speak. It ceased to be interesting to me within a year or two of owning my first mutual fund.
I was fortunate this year to get a phone call the day before Thanksgiving. It’s exceedingly rare that anyone calls me, let alone on a holiday. That’s by design. No one should feel bad. My isolation is purposeful and engineered, the result of a deeply-held belief that a requirement (a prerequisite) for engaging with other people is being reasonably sure that in doing so, you can help them live more fulfilling lives. Inserting yourself into the life arc of other people is to change their trajectory forever, an irrevocable decision that merits careful consideration. Experience indicates I can’t satisfy my own rules of engagement (so to speak), so I generally confine my interactions with humanity to the virtual sphere.
For me, the problem with detachment (which until very recently was physical, on a literal island, as well as emotional) isn’t so much loneliness, something I’m apparently incapable of experiencing, thank God. The issue, rather, is the lack of an outlet for unfocused, out-loud editorializing. I have an online audience (a cult following) for structured, focused commentary, but no real-life sounding board for unstructured eccentricity. There is, however, one person in the world willing to be that sounding board, a significant act of goodwill on her part. It’s a profoundly asymmetric situation: I view her as akin to the big sister I never had, she views me as a peripheral acquaintance who, even on prominent days, exists only on the fringe of her life radar. My awareness of that asymmetry is what makes it work.
When we talked two weeks ago, ahead of the US holiday, the idea of markets as easy-to-understand and not especially difficult to navigate, came up. She noted, correctly, that after so many years steeped in the discussion, it’s not hard to say something about markets that comes across as profound. Sometimes, she went on, the ease with which she can conjure incisive observations feels guiltily incongruous with the plaudits she receives from other market participants and observers. I feel the same way. Only without the guilt. If you want to believe investing is difficult or interesting or immersive or worthy of a career, who am I to argue?
What’s amusing to me about people like Marks is the lengths they go to in order to convince themselves they haven’t wasted their lives, even though they probably have, with the (important) caveat that many billionaires and titans of finance have dedicated enormous sums to philanthropic efforts. (Whether or not I might’ve given more if only I had the same resources is irrelevant since there’s no realistic path for my net worth to match Marks’s barring rapid and significant advances in life extension technologies.)
I used to enjoy Marks’s memos immensely, and explaining why I became disillusioned with them some years ago is a bit of an editorial Waterloo for me. Like Ray Dalio, he seems to harbor pretensions to philosophical profundity that are meaningfully detached from what’s on offer, but then again, the sheer amount of effort Marks puts into his writing is an ironic testament to the idea that investing isn’t very rewarding beyond the financial gains. Plainly, the point of diminishing returns for Marks with regard to incremental happiness derived from accumulating ever larger sums of money was much higher than my own, but his memos (and particularly those penned during the pandemic) seem to demonstrate a desire to extract from capital markets something that just isn’t there — namely, deep meaning.
By contrast, Warren Buffett, a fan of Marks’s memos but an investor of incomparably greater stature, endeavors very little in the way of penetrating insight while penning Berkshire’s annual letters. That’s not to say Warren’s folk wisdom isn’t in some ways enlightening, it’s just to state the obvious: Buffett understands, and is satisfied with, his place in the world, and rarely stakes a claim outside of his own arena. Buffett’s letters are, in some ways, the opposite of Marks’s memos. Buffett’s investment strategy doesn’t entail or require any deep insight, or demand any sort of value judgements other than those associated with buying good companies at good prices.
Reading Marks, on the other hand, is like reading the treatises of an aristocrat who, having realized that wealth isn’t the be-all and end-all, is determined to place himself among the ranks of great thinkers. But can’t quite get there. If you’ve ever read a historical survey of Western political thought or philosophy, you’ve come across references to such treatises. They’re usually referred to tangentially, and with a tinge of pity for their authors.
I started reading Marks again last year, and I came away with the same impression: He seems to want more from investing — more from capital markets — than investing and capital markets have to offer him. To the extent that’s accurate, he can’t be blamed. At a fundamental level, capitalism (the market economy) is a simplistic secular religion. Capitalism posits for itself the task of providing property-owners what they think they want. Rights become synonymous with property ownership, and everything else follows from there. The tension emerges when people without property start making claims on having rights too. Over decades, we’ve constructed a casino atop the market economy’s foundational “efficient” capital allocation mechanism. That’s where the gambling happens.
As Marks made clear four years ago in the above-mentioned “You Bet,” he’s a gambler, and always has been. Which accounts for his admiration for Duke. “You Bet” reads like a casino manual. No matter how many times Marks (and Duke) try to explain away their gambling addiction by dressing it up as a philosophy of decision-making, it is what it is. By his own account, Marks’s affinity for strategic games of chance dates back six decades, and he doesn’t seem to delineate between the foundational purpose of a market economy and the often superfluous gambling that goes on at the casino upstairs.
There are no deep lessons to be learned from the fundamental capital allocation process, and trying to superimpose meaning on that process is an exercise in futility. It’s not difficult to make money by participating in that process: You buy shares in good companies (stock is property) and you hold onto them (your property becomes more valuable, and in a market economy, you de facto secure more rights as a result). That process is very efficient and highly reliable when it comes to creating wealth for the patient and the prudent. But it’s not always efficient when it comes to providing for social justice. That combination (the “any idiot can do it” reality of passive investing and the sometimes deleterious social outcomes capitalism produces) makes investing in a market economy rather uninteresting intellectually and profoundly unsatisfying morally. If you’re not troubled by boredom and immorality (or at least amorality), you can become one of the richest people on Earth in nine (or 10) short decades. Just ask Buffett (or Charlie Munger before he finally died).
If, however, you want a little excitement — if you want to believe there’s more to it all and that you’re something other than a cog (big, small or anywhere in-between) in the capital allocation process — you might venture into the casino and become a risk-taker. If it works out for you consistently, you can claim some level of skill, at which point other gamblers will look to you not just for poker tips, but for wisdom in general. As these things go, you’ll be tempted to oblige. Before long, you’ll convince yourself of all sorts of things, virtually none of which will be true. “Investing is a game of skill,” Marks declared, towards the end of “You Bet,” on the way to calling investing “challenging and stimulating.” “I feel good about the way I chose to spend my career,” he wrote.
Late last month, Marks spoke to Bloomberg’s Tom Keene and Lisa Abramowicz about Munger, who’s quoted in “You Bet,” after his passing. “He never tried to guess what a company would do in the short-term. He was a great practitioner of sit on your hands,” Marks said. He also claimed, while discussing Buffett’s sometimes concentrated positions, that “concentration and patience don’t accomplish anything if you can’t make above-average investment decisions.” But that just isn’t true. Time and time again, the market shows that being content with “average” ends up making you in some sense above average. Because most people can’t resist the temptation to aspire to outperformance.
In a December 8 article looking back on 2023, Bloomberg’s Lu Wang noted that out of nearly two-dozen technical strategies for trading, not a single one outperformed buy-and-hold this year. If, while trying to trade tactically, you missed the best five sessions, you underperformed an S&P index fund by 11ppt. “Of course, if one is lucky to dodge the worst five,” you would’ve outperformed by 9ppt, Wang wrote. “Lucky” is the key word. It’s fair to suggest that if you traded based not on technical indicators, but on various fundamental narratives in 2023, you might’ve underperformed an index fund by an even wider margin.
In the same linked article, one pro told Wang that, “timing the market is one of the most fun things you can try to do because it’s like a dopamine-type behavioral thing.” As the National Institutes of Health explains, “mesolimbic dopamine, the chief neuromediator of incentive motivation, is indeed released to a larger extent in pathological gamblers.”
The ultimate irony is that the inspiration for Marks’s memos in the first instance was one pension fund manager’s explanation for how mediocrity breeds excellence over the long-term. “My memos got their start in October 1990, inspired by an interesting juxtaposition between two events,” Marks recalled, in September. The first of those events was dinner with Dave, then head of the General Mills pension fund. Dave told Marks that in 14 years in the job, the fund’s equity return “never ranked above the 27%ile of the pension fund universe or below the 47%ile percentile.” Guess where Dave ended up ranked after 14 years? Fourth percentile.
Marks remembered being “wowed.” “It turns out that most investors aiming for top-decile performance eventually shoot themselves in the foot,” he said. “But Dave never did.” And yet Marks spent the next 30 years of his life aiming to outperform. He’d tell you a different story about his investing philosophy and that of Oaktree, and he’d surely claim there are no contradictions in his memos, or no glaring ones that can’t be reconciled, anyway. Maybe you’d be convinced. I wouldn’t be.
No matter what anyone tells you, the bottom line at the end of the day is that, as Munger put it, “The world is full of foolish gamblers, and they will not do as well as the patient investor.” Investing isn’t complicated, which means the vast majority of ostensibly profound insight and dynamic, play-by-play color commentary you come across on a daily basis isn’t worth the digital paper it’s printed on. Present company excluded, of course.
Waxing poetically about gambling and human interaction, so matter-of-factly.
Great Saturday night Read.
thank you.
I have a small amount that I actively invest just to prove to myself (painfully) every year that it’s a much worse strategy than passive (index with almost no fees) or the occasional “buy and hold forever” company.
Nailed it. The contemporary, but likely short-term, view is that being a successful gambler (or coder) is a an effective proxy for wisdom. Why we consistently extrapolate this way, and from such shaky foundations, is beyond me. Perhaps my biggest disappointment with capitalism (after the relentless impoverishment of the many) is that it confuses a little skill and a lot of luck with a lot of skill and a little luck.
I think it is quite challenging and stimulating if you aim to outperform as Marks does, which I also believe, as you stated, can easily lead to underperforming.
But my personal opinion is with yours in that I can’t imagine continuing in this line of work after I’ve made a very small fortune ($3M?) that guarantees I can live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Once I have that, there are a billion things I’d rather do besides looking at stock tickers, reading articles on the market, and predicting the timing of the next recession. Despite my above average knowledge of how markets work (vs the average person on the street or even in a bank) which was acquired because I find this interesting and absorbing, I have not lost track of the fact that ultimately this is a means to an end, that of living in sufficient material comfort (defined with a relatively low threshold).
I “speed read” the Heisenberg Report articles that cover market mechanics, technicals, flows, etc. as those subjects aren’t that interesting to me not only because my “gambling” days are over but because that wasn’t how I ever liked to gamble (beaten down fundamentals were my “thing”).
Now, I keep the vast majority of my money in SPY plus a few individual stocks- and I rarely make adjustments. Some people might look at that allocation (no bonds) and label me as a gambler- but I can survive even if I lose half- so I have no stress.
Those “gambling” days were a lot of fun, however, and definitely generated a lot of dopamine! Basically, I self taught myself fundamental analysis ( I was a CPA- so I understood financial concepts) and on three different occasions, I put 100% of my money into 3 ridiculously beaten down stocks. I was always prepared to “lose a lot” and keep working, but fortunately my investments worked out.
I am still an “all or nothing” person, but I have learned, with age, how to (mostly) control myself. Now, the vast majority of my dopamine comes from a good night’s sleep, spending time outdoors in nature, my family and just a few friends, and eating well- with way less (almost none) alcohol involved. There definitely is an intersection between dopamine and happiness, but as many have pointed out here, investment results beyond a certain point won’t find that intersection (neither does alcohol). I am fortunate that I have figured out how to only pursue dopamine that also gives me happiness.
Why do I subscribe? For articles like this! I really appreciate the geo-political, social, economic and philosophical articles. I have learned so much for reading here over the years.
I read this article twice. Lots to think about in this article- on MANY levels.
I am still waiting for the book- but I am very patient, so I will continue to wait 🙂
The exception of present company is steadfast honesty and self reflection. Rare commodity in the universe of self proclaimed products of meritocracy and free will capitalism. As you say it’s not rocket science, capital creates more capital if applied stodgily. PS I really enjoy when you dig into your personal story, experience and perspective.
Exactly. I can not read Dalio for that very reason.
I just want to add my voice to those expressing appreciation and gratitude for your words and thoughts outside the financial analysis.
I’m a subscriber because the sane and intelligent world views expressed by Mr. H and some of the commenters are a refuge from the insanity that we seem to be experiencing.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
How can you be writing so much of markets if they are mostly uninterresting for you…?
Well, it’s not always easy, Zsolt. To pretend it’s interesting, I mean. Really it isn’t. But people seem to think what I have to say about markets and macro is valuable, and while pretending isn’t easy, the process itself (i.e., the actual writing) is a breeze. Because I’m clever and I’m a human encyclopedia. Retaining readers also ensures I have an audience for all the times I want to write about things that are more important than how many basis points 10-year yields moved during a given session. Most importantly, it helps me pretend I have some purpose in life. You need that. In 2016, I tried an early retirement strategy that entailed writing a couple of times per week (which for me counted as “infrequent”) in-between reading on the beach and drinking all the local bars dry. That sounded great in theory when I mapped it out from White Plains in October of 2015. By November of 2016, I was almost dead. As it turns out, a man needs a reason to get up every day. Idyllic surroundings, good books, a New Yorker subscription and unlimited expensive liquor aren’t enough. You need other people or you need a purpose. I don’t have the former, so I created the latter.
Sometimes people aren’t enough either. I think one needs both. 🙂
You must have been about 22 years old in 2016, to have such plans ; )
Anyways, keep up the good work!
I entered school in 1949 and was continuously engaged until 1970. I taught my first class in 1967 and retired in 2007 after facing more than 12,000 students, mostly in finance and strategic management. I was formally a part of education for 58 years. Like my favorite professor, I can’t actually stop (he’s been retired for decades but still mentors many students as an emeritus prof in his 80s). Investing is easy to some, uninteresting to many, but poorly understood by most. So I keep teaching it whenever I’m asked. My interest in the subject of finance and markets is to keep fresh by being challenged or helpful.
I am a person with few actual friends (my definition is that a friend is someone who will voluntarily surprise you by coming to sit at your bedside in the hospital when you are ill and chat about whatever you want). Friends, as you imply, require responsible work (in most cases). I never was in a good position to do that. My only real friend was my wife who lasted 53 years with me before passing. She was smart as a whip, always put up with me and gave me as good as she got. Debates ending at 4 AM were not uncommon. She, too, was a professor, and perhaps better at than me. Her students loved her, and relied on her advice like kids with their mothers. I still talk to her memory as if she were there. I still can’t find anyone to fill her place as my muse and advisor. Oh, and I absolutely adore Millers Crossing. One of my personal classics. Also, just about anything from Sergio Leone.
Markets are fascinating, the most complex, poorly understood, ever changing and never changing interplay of economics, politics, psychology, finance, futurism, history, technology, and emotion there is to be found. Entire careers can be spent investigating a few square inches of the multidimensional elephant, or vainly hunting for the elusive Grand Theory of Everything. The most accomplished and successful are wrong more often than right, and even the middling accomplished can be right often enough to keep at it.
Often puzzling, frequently frustrating, sometimes exciting, then quickly frightening, seldom boring and then never for too long, and potentially rewarding to boot – for those who feel this way about the markets, what more could one want?
Social justice, morality, being a good person, doing right by others – not on offer here, sorry.
I’m not saying it’s all just a big game, but for each individual player, it might as well be. In what other endeavours can you make bets, see if they win or lose, and respawn to play again, with so little consequence from each individual loss so long as your risk control is sound? The list will contain a lot more sports and games on it, than it will normal avocations. “Yes, I’m a competent electrician. Fewer than 45% of my clients were electrocuted last year!”
Feeling the same as some of the comments above, such articles are the reason we subscribe…