Goldman Takes Axe To House S&P Call

In a high profile, if not wholly unexpected, call, Goldman slashed its year-end S&P 500 target by 16%, blaming the trajectory of rates. Last month, David Kostin adopted a cautious cadence, noting that thanks to the summer rally, the US benchmark hit the bank's target four months early. He obliquely characterized the surge from the June lows as a "leap of faith." Since then, "the rate complex has shifted dramatically," he wrote, lowering this year's target to 3,600 from 4,300. The bank's up
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8 thoughts on “Goldman Takes Axe To House S&P Call

  1. The involuntary reactions from your assessments of investor expectations and likely outcomes in this economy, along with those of Goldman, and others, are cold water on hot, youthful passion. But the assessments are real and trustworthy. Needless to say, my expectations for 2023 are not hot, or even warm at this stage.

  2. Most serious investors buy stocks not “the market”. For longer term investors there are more opportunities today though there may be more over the coming months.

    We will be talking about rate cuts and QE4ever sometime in the first half of ’23 I suspect. This economy cannot handle higher rates imo.

    Be smart everyone.

    1. Actually, buying “the market” is almost always the better trade than pretending that any of us are able to consistently beat a low-cost index fund over the long-term by picking individual stocks. It’s my contention that there has never (ever) been a “good” stock picker. Only lucky ones. Unless by “good” you mean “possessed of non-public information,” in which case yes, sure, there have been plenty of good stock pickers throughout history.

      1. For individual investors yes.

        For retired HF managers I totally disagree.

        I absolutely do not mean via inside information.

        For pro investors short term pressures cause underperformance. i.e. career risk.

        There is something called “time arbitrage”. In my opinion one of the most successful strategies out there.

        Most individual investors and many pros go with the crowd. That is often a losing strategy.

        It is pretty simple buy great companies with competitive advantages at good prices. They do exist (I have been buying them today). I have a “margin of safety” on those buys imo.

        But you are correct, if you don’t know what you are doing (most individuals and many “pros”) then buy the good, the bad and the ugly and hope for the 10+ baggers to bail you out of the other 250 garbage names in the SP500. (Not meaning to sound snarky). Just the reality. The SP500 tends to buy new names at highs hoping they go higher.

        I’ll continue buying quality at good prices. 😉

        Wishing you the best. Trade/invest well my friend.

      2. I should add.

        I think individuals have a HUGE advantage because they do not have to “swing at every pitch” and can maximize the “time arbitrage” opportunity.

        These advantages are ENORMOUS. HFs can have that, mutual funds rarely have that advantage. Individuals have it if they want it.

        The keys are to curb the greed and fear and do the basic equity analysis needed (valuation work, business competitive advantage work, etc).

        When SPACs and meme’s and price to sales ratios are talked about it is usually a time to be cautious, careful. Sure you might miss out on the last burst. But when fine companies are available at free cash flow yields exceeding “normalized” 10yr treasuries and have some growth and are run by good mgmts and have sustainable competitive advantages it is a lot easier.

        Hope this helps a little.

        1. I just noticed your first reply after you left the second one.

          You’ve been around these pages for quite a while, so you’re doubtlessly aware that any condescension (implied or otherwise) directed at me is woefully misplaced, to the point of being borderline bizarre in that it seems to suggest you haven’t been reading me very closely over the years.

          Also, I’d note that any “retired hedge fund manager” who’s spending his or her days screening for GARP stocks instead of, you know, indulging in various manifestations of personal eccentricity, is either i) a masochist, ii) running a family office because he or she doesn’t have enough eccentricities to indulge or expensive hobbies to pursue, or iii) didn’t retire with enough in the way of readily available cash to just “own and roll 3m T-Bills yielding 3.10% in risk-free heaven,” as a buddy of mine whose job it is to talk to hedge funds all day put it last week.

          Hope that helps a little. Wishing you the best and thanking you for helping me indulge my eccentricities here every day.

  3. Thou Goldman people are supposed to be the smartest people in the world I do believe they are human like the rest of us. But if the Fed keeps on raising rates past the point Goldman has in their estimates it could go lower. Since we are only 30 or so points from breaking the June lows and Powell is still planning on raising rates we should go lower from here. My only issue is getting more cash in my investment accounts so I buy when we hit those levels.

  4. Also, the PEs assumed are too low imo and the estimates (even in hard landing) are too high.

    In ’07 at this time of the year we were looking at $93 for ’07 and $100 for ’08. Market was trading around 1500 or so. Financials were about 40%? of EPS? And they were overearning.

    Today we probably do $180 for ’23. Higher quality because of tech (yes, tech is a secular grower).

    Rates probably never get to 6%. But assuming $180 is underearning a bit and a 20x mult on “depressed” earnings we get 3600 for mid next year.

    And if we look back. This estimates assumes SP500 earnings took 15 years to double!!!! Is that really overearning????? Sure, maybe the real number in ’07 was $70 but still not a gret compounding giving some of the greatest companies in the world exist today and were a small part of the ’07 SP500.

    The market is manic depressive imo. Personally I think a lot of quality stocks will nicely outperform bonds over the next 2-10 years.

    But market participants aren;t thinking in these terms.

    But who knows, maybe I am wrong. I am not “buying the market” but I sure am buying some great companies at decent prices that will nicely compound over the years.

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