I guess I have to mention Oracle.
Right? I mean, you can’t harp on potential AI profitability disappointments and then fail to mention a story which hints at just that.
Oracle, you’re reminded, grabbed every market headline early last month when the shares stormed 36% higher in a single session thanks to a superlative-laden earnings release which showed rapidly expanding demand for the company’s cloud infrastructure and teased a “large upward revision” to the financial roadmap.
The shares have gone nowhere since that bonanza, but they’re up 70% YTD thanks in large part to the September 10 surge. A month on from the stock’s best day in 30 years and The Information had the audacity to suggest that renting out Nvidia chips isn’t necessarily a one-way ticket to easy profits.
The result was a selloff which at one juncture neared 7%. The stock later trimmed losses.
The linked article cited internal documents, which I can only assume means the numbers are accurate. Those numbers show Oracle generated $900 million in revenue from renting Nvidia-powered servers in the three-month period through August, but only $125 million in gross profit.
Is that problematic? Well, you’d have to ask someone who covers Oracle for a living. It’s during times like these when company analysts actually are useful. But I’ll note that Oracle’s gross margin was nearly 70% in fiscal Q1. $125 million on $900 million in sales works out to… well, a helluva lot less than 70%, let’s just put it that way.
Maybe (probably) that’s apples to oranges. Or doesn’t paint an accurate picture. Or focuses too narrowly on one new line of business. Or is just plain stupid. I really don’t know. But I do know that generally speaking, it’s not great if margins are thin in the business where the growth’s concentrated.
That said, you could argue that stupendous growth compensates for lower margins. If you’re only selling a few, your margins need to be very high, whereas if you’re selling a bunch, maybe you can make up for thin margins with volume. But when taken to extremes, that argument risks venturing into “First CityWide Change Bank” territory. If you’re unfamiliar, that means you’re too young to remember late-1980s SNL. Here’s the reference:
You’re welcome. And yeah, that’s how good SNL used to be.
The point, obviously, is that you can have as much “volume” (sales) as you want, but if you’re not keeping anything (enough) from it, then the model makes no sense.
Already, the AI buildup’s costing Oracle margin. As Bloomberg noted, 67.3%, the company’s gross margin last quarter, was “the lowest in more than a year,” and The Information article said Oracle actually lost $100 million from renting out servers powered by Jensen Huang’s next generation Blackwell chip.
I don’t think this is a big deal, but at a time when bubble whispers aren’t whispers anymore, and amid a transition from the “show me” revenue phase of the cycle to the “show me” profit phase, this is well worth a mention, even if it doesn’t turn out to be a canary or any kind of harbinger.
Meanwhile — and relatedly — the self-referential character of sundry strategic tie-ups like last month’s OpenAI-Nvidia deal and this week’s AMD-OpenAI initiative is getting the wrong kind of attention in the most mainstream of all mainstream press.
The title of Tuesday’s DealBook mailer (from Andrew Ross Sorkin) was “The circular economy.” He mentioned “the vendor financing-ish quality” of Nvidia’s pledged investment in OpenAI on the way to telling his many millions of followers that the AMD deal “also has a circular element to it.”



Either Fox Business or CNBC said sources (yeah I know, sources) claim the Oracle report is “off base and doesn’t reflect actual financials of that area of business” Oracle has some events next week, so stay tuned…
I also suspect some early margin compression due to upfront costs in racks, networking, power, labor etc
Loved that SNL skit, thanks for the walk down memory lane!
One of my all time favorite SNL skits…
This strikes me as a blow to the risk/reward calculus for AI focused investments. How many big players in this country alone are chasing AGI and how many winners can the technology abide. It’s not exactly apples to apples, but how many search engines hit the big time. There are a lot of chips on the table in a game where nobody wants to be, or can afford to be, the loser. The cashiers window is starting to look very tempting to me.
Phil Hartman was one of the greatest cast members. What a tragedy that he was taken so early in life.
I read some recap of the dot-com boom years a few months ago, I don’t remember the source, but talked about how initial boom companies were building the infrastructure (Cisco, ISP’s) but then the second wave were companies that monetized that infrastructure (Amazon, Facebook). So it certainly feels like a rhyme when we’re watching the inflation of AI infrastructure companies. Certainly many will ride that boom, but the long term wave is yet to develop (and probably after a loud pop of the first bubble).
Change bank is great, I still quote “the answer is simple: volume”. Not that I saw it when it aired, but family had the episode on VHS.
I’ve been following with keen interest the circular money flows between Nvidia investing in OpenAI, OpenAI buying (or renting) capacity from Oracle, and Oracle buying Nvidia chips. All stocks go up, but no new money actually comes in. It’s reminiscent of the S&L crisis, where institutions sold real estate to each other to inflate each other’s balance sheets. Using Oracle’s historical margin rates, these recent AI deals gave us one picture. With actual margins for Oracle truly much lower, this blows a big hole in ORCL’s perceived value as a result of the investment. If it looks like a bubble and quacks like a bubble…