I don’t get bent out of shape about much. Nor do I care for pretending, even as that’s my “job.”
Not a lot matters. “Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff,” as they say, and guess what? It is all small stuff, particularly when you’re an overprivileged Westerner residing in an advanced economy.
That reality makes it difficult on some days to wield my digital pen in the service of injecting life into the mercurial ups and downs of chart lines. Yes, they represent the waxing and waning of fortunes, but you can’t take it with you. So, who cares? Not me.
But I do a good job of pretending, don’t I? Every day, I force myself to animate the inanimate. Part of that effort entails pretending as though every turn of phrase emanating from this or that macro-market “somebody” piques my interest and should likewise pique yours. This week, those “somebodies” will be Fed officials, who came out of the self-imposed quiet period around the September FOMC meeting ready to talk.
Interested though I’m generally not, I was genuinely (albeit hardly) irked by Austan Goolsbee’s temerity during remarks for a Q&A in Chicago on Monday.
I praised Goolsbee earlier this month for stating the obvious about the Fed, rates and nascent labor market weakness: If you’re really interested in staying ahead of the curve, you have to move preemptively. If you wait around on conclusive evidence, you may not necessarily be behind the curve, but you’re certainly not ahead of it. To the extent that was the rationale for last week’s upsized first rate cut, it was a good one. A good rationale, I mean. Goolsbee reiterated as much on Monday. The Fed, he said, can’t “wait until problems show up.” “If we want a soft landing, we can’t be behind the curve.” So far, so good.
The rest of Goolsbee’s remarks were superfluous at best (given the dot plot) and gratuitous at worst. “Rates need to come down significantly going forward,” he said. It’s time to focus on the labor market, and that “means many more rate cuts over the next year.” Later, he told the moderator that the Fed has “a long way to come down to get rate[s] to something like neutral.” Currently, Fed funds is “hundreds” of basis points above neutral, he added.
I don’t necessarily disagree with any that. But two things. First, there’s no occasion for it. We already have the dot plot. And everyone pretty much knows where Goolsbee stands. What purpose could it possibly serve to trot out official after official after official this week (and if you look at the schedule, that’s what’s coming) to reiterate that the Fed intends to cut rates by a lot over the next 12 months? Are their intentions in that regard somehow unclear?
Second, and more importantly, Goolsbee’s engaged in the same circular logic as Jerome Powell and all the rest. There isn’t a single Fed official — not one — willing to say, definitively, what the neutral rate is. Some will venture a range, most will obfuscate. And yet, every Fed official — all of them — will give you an opinion on whether current policy settings are restrictive, and they’ll generally be willing to use modifiers like “very” and “somewhat” to describe the degree of restriction.
See the problem there? Policy’s “restrictive” (or “loose”) relative to one thing and one thing only: The neutral rate. If you can’t say where neutral is, you don’t know how restrictive policy is, or even if it’s restrictive at all. Period. There’s no way around that. I’m open (very much so) to the idea that this whole discussion is pure, unadulterated gibberish. But as it’s couched in polite academic company, “restrictive” and “loose” are relative to neutral. So, if you can’t say where neutral is, you can’t say whether policy’s restrictive either, let alone with the kind of precision conveyed by modifiers like “very” and “somewhat.”
The balance of evidence — GDP tracking, consumer spending, even the decelerating labor market which is still adding jobs — suggests five-handle Fed funds is only mildly restrictive if it’s restrictive at all. Simply put: Goolsbee has no idea whether policy’s “hundreds” of basis points worth of restrictive, as he asserted on Monday.
Neel Kashkari, despite being less cavalier than Goolsbee, engaged in the same circular reasoning. “We’re still in a net tight position after 50bps,” he told CNBC. “As we go forward, I expect, on balance, we will probably take smaller steps unless the data changes materially.” How does he (Neel) know, with certainty, that the Fed’s “still in a net tight position” if he can’t tell us where neutral is? Spoiler alert: He doesn’t know that. Certainly not with certainty.
Raphael Bostic was on the record Monday too. Inflation has fallen and the labor market has cooled “much more quickly” than Bostic “imagined at the beginning of the summer.” “I envision normalizing monetary policy sooner than I thought would be appropriate even a few months ago,” he said, in a speech.
Again, it’s not that any of this is “wrong,” per se. Rather, the issue is that there’s no way to know if it’s right with anything approaching the kind of certainty that Goolsbee (for example) exhibited when he confidently declared policy “hundreds” of basis points worth of onerous. In order to say that with conviction, you need conviction about the location of the neutral rate. If any Fed officials have that conviction, I’ve yet to hear about it. What I have heard a lot of, though, are admissions that the location of neutral has never been less clear.
This is all about risk management, and specifically about waiting until the balance of accumulated evidence points overwhelmingly in one direction or the other. Note: “Overwhelmingly” is something different from “conclusively.” As emphasized above, you can’t wait on conclusive evidence if you’re the Fed. Waiting for “conclusive” is what got them into trouble with inflation in 2021.
As of the July jobs report (i.e., August 2), the balance of evidence began to favor an aggressive first rate cut. The downward revisions which accompanied the August jobs report (on September 6) tipped the scales. 50 it was, warm CPI or not. Now, a prudent Fed should require additional evidence not so much to assess that rates need to move meaningfully lower over the next 15 months — I don’t think anyone disputes that — but additional evidence before making unsupported claims about the proximity of policy to neutral and certainly before validating the market’s inclination to assume every meeting will be a cut, irrespective of the data.
By “irrespective of the data” I mean that as it stands, markets seem convinced that only an anomalous re-acceleration in headline hiring and/or an unthinkably acute inflation spike would give the Fed pause to consider… well, to consider a “pause.” If you believe the only data with the capacity to alter an otherwise pre-set course for policy is data that’s mathematically impossible (or for all intents and purposes mathematically impossible), then far from believing policy’s data-dependent, you’re convinced it isn’t.
That should trouble Powell, who went out of his way last week to emphasize that policy’s “not on any pre-set course.” Monday’s remarks from Goolsbee sounded a lot like policy’s on cruise control — on “autopilot,” to employ a notorious Powell communications faux pas.
Powell didn’t help his own cause last week. Recall that just half an hour or so after insisting the Fed’s taking a “meeting-by-meeting” approach to setting policy, he answered a question about “the cut at the next meeting” without batting an eye.


H: forget the fed officials… I want to know what Nick Timaros thinks ?
They are attempting to sound dovish on purpose. They realized they overstayed their welcome at 4%+ on fed funds. How do they know they are restrictive to some degree? Answer: The economy is slowing down, 3 month pce is below 2% which is their target for inflation. Unemployment is up over the last year by almost 1%, quits are down etc. This isn’t ivory tower stuff, it’s facts on the ground. Another clue is that inflation is around 2-3% depending on how you measure it and fed funds are 5%. The spread is too wide, and that is making the assumption that the economy won’t slow more. So the fomc is trying to be everyone’s friend until the next meeting. They don’t watch to cut interesting right in front of an election. If was a voting fomc member I would pray for 48 days with no credit shock or geopolitical shock. So let’s see, looks like a govt shutdown is off the table for now. Ukraine and the middle east looms, as does an east coast port strike, political election season, and China’s deflation. There are other potential shocks too. So like I said, the fomc members are left to coo like doves for now.
Watch should read want, sorry. Spell checker….
Sorry again interest rates, not interesting….
So in high school economics–a joke of a class if ever there was one–our teacher taught us that the Fed has three tools to regulate the economy.
1) The required reserve ratio
2) The overnight lending rate
3) Moral suasion
While that class wasn’t worthy of the zero effort I put into it, I remembered point #3 when Alan Greenspan dropped his “Irrational exuberance” bomb.
It would appear that moral suasion is alive and well. I owe Mrs. Henderson an apology.
What is our best guesstimate as to where neutral is exactly, 3-3.25% maybe?
The correct answer is that the neutral rate doesn’t exist, or to the extent it does, it’s as an aggregate of different neutral rates across sectors, varying with time in accord with changing circumstances and technology.
So 2.1783%
Obviously
Besides my teaching career I had a couple of side hustles, editorial reviewing, strategic consulting, and serving as an expert witness. In the latter area I focused on tort cases and valuations. For those calculations I had to determine an acceptable basic interest rate to use in present value calculations. There are two ways to do this problem. One can estimate cash flows and adjust them to account for expected inflation and apply a nominal rate, that accounts for estimates of future inflation. That approach requires three sets of estimates (guesses) about the future of financial flows and rates. The other approach is to simply ignore inflation entirely leaving only one set of guesses to worry about. The answers arising from the two approaches will actually be the same but only one set of guesses is arguable under cross examination. I studied historical data on the basic risk-free rate, ex-inflation and found that although there was a some movement, the basic rate stayed in a narrow range around 2.5% which I took to be a relatively stable neutral rate. This approach is coincident with the so-called “Fisher Effect’ that states that nominal interest rates reflect the nominal real rate plus the expected rate of inflation. If the real rate is 2.5% and expected inflation rate is 2.5%, then the neutral rate in my mind is currently 5%. Since FF rates are generally considered to be risk free, the new rate set by the Fed should be a good estimate of the upper bound in the current environment. In all my financial valuation work I treated 2.5% as the basic real rate and through 40 trials I was never criticized by the opposition for this choice because essentially, no one I faced in court had a better answer. The takeaway: further cuts are going to be too much.
For 20 years, since GFC, the US economy has been operating on zero or negative “real rate”. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1uf5T Starting 2022, we moved very quickly back to typical pre-GFC real rates (250bp ish). Looking just at that, arguably there should be no more cuts. But if employment crumbles, there will be more cuts – regardless of what there should be. Even Vockler probably wouldn’t have driven the economy into recession just to keep inflation <3%. Maybe preferable to have “fewer more” cuts now in hopes of averting “more more” cuts later?
A few possibilities, and different Fed officials may subscribe to some or none.
We don’t know what the neutral rate is, but we know what inflation is and FF 200bp > inflation has just got to be restrictive.
We don’t know what the neutral rate is, but current FF is slowing the economy very much [somewhat] so we must be very much [somewhat] above neutral.
We are basically saying “very much pornographic” and “somewhat pornographic”, about something we recognize but can’t quite define.
We think we know what the neutral rate is, but after surviving the wreck of the Good Ship Transitory we’re not confident enough to say.
Inflation has cooled but price levels in general are high, and the unemployment rate remains at historically low levels. (The “natural” rate of unemployment for the U.S. economy was 5% not too many years ago.) The members of the FOMC should take a deep breath and try to channel their inner Volcker.
All I’m really suggesting is that if they feel compelled to go immediately out on speaking tour, they say something to the effect of, “You know, we just cut by 50bps a few days ago, we’re going to let that marinate for a week or two before we muse loudly and proudly about what’s coming next.”